South Korean recreation writer Smilegate not too long ago made a strategic funding and have become a accomplice in Absurd Ventures, a recreation studio based by Rockstar Video games cofounder Dan Houser.
Houser spent greater than 20 years at Rockstar video games and drove the inventive course of the Grand Theft Auto and Purple Lifeless Redemption franchises, which have collectively offered greater than 550 million items worldwide. (Theoretically, that’s about $33 billion value of video games). Houser left Rockstar Video games in 2020.
By this settlement, Smilegate may have the chance to accomplice on Absurd Ventures’ new mental property, which has been within the works since Houser began the studio in 2021. I’m trying ahead to seeing the inventive output of this mixture, as Houser was a part of a proficient staff at Rockstar that rose to the top of the sport business. It is a check as as to whether he can do extra of the identical, this time with a South Korean juggernaut behind him as a substitute of Rockstar and Take-Two Interactive.
It’s a giant alternative for Smilegate — the maker of video games reminiscent of Crossfire and Misplaced Ark — to staff up with Houser, who creatively oversaw globally profitable IPs which are cultural cornerstones and rooted in immersive storytelling. I did an interview with Smilegate and Absurd Ventures to search out out why they did this deal and to search out some clues about what they’re engaged on. Houser is notoriously shy on the subject of press, however I did get to interview Harold Kim, vp of enterprise growth at Smilegate, and Greg Borrud, head of video games at Absurd Ventures.
Right here’s an edited transcript of our interview.
Greg Borrud is head of video games at Absurd Ventures.
GamesBeat: What are you able to inform us about this partnership?
Greg Borrud: It is a good mixture of each Smilegate, which may be very keen about the place we’re getting in video games, and Absurd, likewise very keen about the place we’re getting in video games. We’re each exploring publishing and creating and all these new markets and new alternatives. This funding is a sign of our mutual respect for one another and our need to assist work collectively to see what we are able to do to deliver nice video games to gamers. It’s a minority funding, so it’s simply that first step of attending to know one another, however to this point it’s been a terrific partnership. We’re very excited in regards to the future.
GamesBeat: Harold, what was attention-grabbing to you about Absurd?
Harold Kim: Smilegate is a singular firm within the publishing business. We come from South Korea. We have been doing properly in plenty of international locations, however not significantly properly within the U.S. or different western territories. Our bread and butter is stay service video games. We’ve been doing that from the inception of the corporate. We need to turn into a world firm, an actual participant within the business. Once we have a look at among the traits within the business, one is triple-A. We’re not speaking about cash figures. We’re speaking about–for those who look again on the 2000s, one of many key options of how we outlined triple-A was nice narrative storytelling.
When our chairman, Kwon Hyuk-bin, had an opportunity to fulfill with Dan Houser over dinner, what got here out of that assembly was that that they had a shared imaginative and prescient. That imaginative and prescient is creating IP that’s memorable. Enjoyable, but additionally memorable. IP that may be handed alongside by way of generations. Absurd has large respect and expertise in creating that narrative storytelling. Smilegate doesn’t have that have, however Smilegate has stay service operations expertise. We see nice potential within the relationships, infinite potentialities. It was a no brainer for us to make the decision and get into this relationship.
GamesBeat: It’s a giant dedication, too. You don’t know when one thing goes to drop. You don’t know the way lengthy you must assist the corporate. Repute is every part right here. It feels such as you’re prepared for no matter would possibly occur, with out understanding for sure when the primary recreation goes to reach.
Kim: Smilegate is exclusive within the sense that it’s a 100% personal firm. It took us 5 years to ship Crossfire, eight years to ship Misplaced Ark. High quality is vital. We’re not certain by a public firm’s obligations to shareholders. The one factor we care about is {our relationships} and high quality. Any time we do offers, it’s all based mostly on long-term relationships. We hope to create that type of relationship with Absurd.
Harold Kim is vp of enterprise growth at Smilegate.
GamesBeat: Is that philosophy a little bit of a rarity within the recreation business?
Borrud: You’ll be able to see why we have been on this dialog. Dan and I’ve talked about this fairly a bit in our conversations with Kwon at Smilegate, this shared ardour and curiosity in making huge video games that may have a significant impression for years to come back. We’re very excited that Smilegate’s fascinated by exploring narrative-driven video games. That’s what Absurd is constructed on, storytelling and new immersive worlds, new participant experiences. There’s a shared curiosity there, which is thrilling. We don’t need to take without end to get to market, however we additionally don’t need to rush. It’s discovering the correct stability. That was nice to listen to for us.
On the flip facet, we’re very fascinated by stay companies. We’re fascinated by what Smilegate is nice at. We’re enthusiastic about how we are able to thread the needle on each. After which additionally understanding the Asian market as properly. It felt like an ideal relationship to get began. We’re very complementary to one another. That’s been borne out in a lot of conversations we’ve been having for fairly some time.
GamesBeat: What’s the draw for you in working with somebody like Dan? What are some qualities which are attention-grabbing about him that possibly individuals don’t see from the skin? He’s a reasonably quiet particular person. What’s most attention-grabbing about working with him?
The opposite factor is, he’s an unbelievable storyteller. Each from his coaching, going manner again, after which every part he did on the video games he’s developed. He has a very good sense of chopping to the chase. What’s going to resonate with individuals? What shall be new and completely different, and never by-product? We speak fairly a bit about desirous to make video games that may have a long-lasting impression, and which are additionally going to face out and be distinctive.
He’s additionally very collaborative. We’ve been pulling collectively two recreation growth groups. One staff is in Santa Monica. I’m in our workplace up in San Rafael with the acquisition of the Ascendant staff. What’s been nice is, as we deliver on all this unbelievable expertise, Dan is superb at saying, “This is what’s important to me,” however then enabling the staff to develop what’s vital to them. There’s a robust collaboration happening with everybody. I’ve been working with him for 2 years now, and truthfully, as somebody who’s extra of a producer–what I need to do is figure with unbelievable creatives. He’s in all probability the most effective inventive I’ve ever labored with.
GamesBeat: A number of recreation builders may be not sure about what to do by way of serving their followers. Followers at all times need to have extra of what that they had within the final recreation, however additionally they need one thing recent. How does the staff, together with Dan, take into consideration that when you think about doing one thing completely new?
Borrud: Actually our course of has not been, “Let’s build a chart of everything that someone is doing and find something that’s different.” It’s not pushed by that. It’s pushed extra by what we’re keen about, what we predict will resonate with gamers, what’s well timed. As we take into consideration issues that may ring a bell with individuals, these are among the issues we take into consideration. We do take into consideration being completely different, however not only for its personal sake.
Dan is likely one of the finest, and has been probably the greatest, at evolving a franchise. If you concentrate on Grand Theft Auto from III onward, culminating with Purple Lifeless 2, how that complete style of open worlds developed, that goes to who Dan is. That’s the continuation of the story that we now have, however as a substitute of continuous to inform tales in these present franchises, that are clearly unbelievable franchises, Dan had the chance to construct new worlds and inform new tales and create new environments. That’s been some of the thrilling issues.
The opposite factor Absurd has targeted on fairly a bit is how we introduce new IP to the world. We’re excited in regards to the linear facet of the market as properly. We’re on this new age of synergy between recreation builders and recreation IP and linear IP. You’ll see issues like our audio podcast we launched final summer time. We now have a collection of comedian books launching within the new 12 months. An entire host of linear media alternatives. Primary, that permits Dan to scratch that itch. He’s a author. Writers are going to jot down. It’s an effective way to get that out. However extra importantly, it’s a manner for us to introduce our IP slowly, over time, in order that when our recreation merchandise do finally launch–to Harold’s level, these take some time to develop. When these video games launch, the IP received’t be unknown to individuals. There shall be an excellent, strong basis we’re constructing on prime of.
GamesBeat: You’re capable of check your concepts in a inexpensive manner. You get them in entrance of individuals and see in the event that they resonate.
Absurd Ventures created a podcast referred to as A Higher Paradise.
Borrud: I’m at all times undecided what I can say about my personal conversations with Dan, however he’s talked about that straight. “Had we known how an audience might have reacted to a character, we might not have killed that character.” We now have concepts about what we predict goes to resonate, what we predict goes to play. However a part of the magic in game-making is commonly these issues which are sudden. It is a nice alternative for us to seed it on the market, see what resonates and what doesn’t, and lean into these issues which are going to play.
GamesBeat: Harold, what are your alternatives to contribute to that inventive course of?
Kim: Smilegate has a model imaginative and prescient to turn into a world participant on this business, as I mentioned. We hope to not solely assist the corporate notice its IP within the Asian market territories, Korea and so forth, but additionally work collectively to ascertain enterprise alternatives. I don’t need to name it publishing, however extra like methods to go to market on a world scale with Absurd Ventures and Smilegate. That’s a objective we now have.
I discussed that we would like to have the ability to contribute to creating IP that may have an extended, sustainable life. Reside service is our bread and butter. We hope to make a terrific contribution in that respect.
Borrud: From the developer facet, we see a lot disruption within the publishing facet of the enterprise. What’s even outlined as a writer? With Activision being acquired by Microsoft, what defines a writer? We’re eager to determine what that mannequin for bringing a recreation to market appears like. Smilegate is equally attempting to determine that out. We expect working collectively, we might discover some attention-grabbing synergies there. We’ll see.
Simply as the sport growth facet has been extremely disrupted by the rounds of layoffs which have occurred–regardless of the marketplace for video games being sturdy, it’s loopy on the event facet. We’re attempting to do plenty of issues that may make recreation growth extra sustainable. However the identical type of disruption is occurring on the publishing facet. We’re very eager to determine what the brand new mannequin appears like in 2025 and past. It’s extremely thrilling. That’s our shared curiosity.
GamesBeat: You talked about stay companies as a key curiosity. Avid gamers like to argue about these things. They’re not essentially automated followers of stay service video games. “It’s just a money grab.” Are there enticing options to stay service video games that weigh in opposition to the drawbacks? Sony tried to launch a giant stay service recreation with Harmony this 12 months, a giant new IP, and it fell flat. How do you’ve gotten that dialog about what’s vital in stay companies?
Borrud: To be clear, the primary factor that’s vital to us is nice recreation worlds and nice storytelling. It doesn’t matter what we do, a really sturdy, strong single-player expertise is at all times going to be on the core of what we do. That’s simply in our DNA. It’s who we’re. However we make investments thousands and thousands of {dollars} into constructing these worlds, these playgrounds to be in, and whenever you’re solely getting a recreation each 5 or 10 years, that’s additionally not serving the viewers the best way it ought to.
The query is, can we do each? With out going into what we’re attempting to do, our ardour is to construct a compelling expertise that everybody will make investments themselves into. However then how can we permit them to proceed to stay in that world in a compelling manner? We’re not saying we’re simply making stay companies. That will be utterly completely different from who we’re as a studio. However after we’ve created these compelling worlds, we need to give gamers a chance to proceed to interact with them.
Smilegate has been nice at that. It’s not simply the sport world. It’s additionally community-building. The followers of Dan and his video games, it’s all about community-building. That’s core to what we’re doing. It’s much less about stay service video games by way of attempting to make an additional buck. It’s about attempting to interact and construct a neighborhood that’s on this lengthy journey with us, 10 or extra years of those video games.
Kim: Smilegate’s function is a part of creating good storytelling and good IP. We’re not saying we’re simply making a stay service recreation with Absurd. It’s making a world, creating a spot the place customers can have enjoyable and spend time and luxuriate in memorable experiences. The stay service ingredient goes to come back a lot later. We all know, as Greg mentioned, about making a neighborhood and nurturing that, to have the ability to make this IP an extended, sustainable, technology to technology type of factor. That’s the objective of this partnership.
GamesBeat: So far as the best way you prefer to run the corporate, within the context of how the entire business feels prefer it’s operating proper now, are there some distinctions in regards to the type of firm you need to create at Absurd?
Borrud: Completely. Though it’s been a tough two or three years now, there’s an attention-grabbing factor for us at Absurd about this type of reset second, constructing an organization from scratch proper now. Primary, there’s unbelievable expertise on the market. We’re capable of construct a terrific staff. However we’re additionally ready to consider, how can we construct these video games and never have a 500-person inside staff, a 1,000-person inside staff, and even bigger? Ranging from scratch, we’re capable of construct with that mentality.
Smilegate relies in South Korea.
We’re leaning closely right into a core staff. We now have two workplaces, Santa Monica and San Rafael, two core groups there. We’re leaning into management that’s finest in school. After which we’re trying aggressively at partnerships. How can we take into consideration co-development companions, these best-in-class builders that may are available and work with us? We now have some concepts there across the scalability of the dev groups to have the ability to nonetheless get to the triple-A top quality, which is our expectation and definitely our followers’ expectation, however do it in a manner the place we don’t have these large ebbs and flows of rising a staff into a large group after which having to put them off. That’s been prime of thoughts for me for years now, and for Dan as properly. We’re attempting to look ahead to how we are able to make a extra sustainable growth surroundings.
One factor we’ve accomplished with that, and that is what’s been nice with Dan–from the second he left Rockstar, for years now Dan has been creating these worlds, creating this IP. Earlier than we even began bringing on many inside builders, he had two years of ideation and world-building and storytelling behind this. That implies that this 12 months, as we develop our inside groups, they don’t come and ask, “What are we doing?” Right here is the playground. Right here is the world. Right here is the setting. Here’s a broad define of the story. The sport groups are available and there’s a stage of world-building I’m undecided has been accomplished a lot for a brand new, unique IP. I’ve labored with licensed merchandise like Star Wars the place there’s an incredible quantity of world-building, however for a brand new, unique IP, one of many new methods of creating has been permitting Dan the time to develop these new worlds in a strong manner. That’s going to pay dividends down the highway.
GamesBeat: When you concentrate on what players need sooner or later, how do you fulfill them? Possibly considering how tastes and conduct would possibly or may not change. That window for players attempting out new IP as of late appears smaller and extra aggressive. 1000’s of Steam video games come out a 12 months, however players strive a model new recreation possibly 5-10% of the time.
Borrud: That’s very true. I’ll say, it was good to see the Sport Awards this 12 months. Numerous new video games are popping out. 2024 has seen a lot of new IP getting launched and being profitable. There’s room for each. We’re not going to dethrone the video games which are on the prime, however we do suppose there’s a chance–I feel players crave new content material.
A technique we’re going to get there may be by having this sluggish introduction, the place we seed, over a number of years, these IP to individuals. Even in our audio fiction proper now, I’m stunned what number of spoilers are in there. I take heed to it on the best way to work and suppose, “I can’t believe we’re saying that.” Over a collection of years we’re going to construct up this basis of what these merchandise shall be. That speaks to a little bit of what players need now. They need to interact with the IP they’re keen about throughout the board, whether or not it’s Fallout or Final of Us or the Minecraft film coming subsequent 12 months.
We’re not simply taking a look at completely different platforms that individuals need to play on. I spent the final variety of years at Niantic taking a look at players’ conduct because it pertains to Pokemon Go. That’s a very completely different neighborhood. Getting a breadth of how players are going to interact with their video games, but additionally going throughout platforms. Conventional linear media is an thrilling place. Brief type video and a few of these different media items are extremely thrilling. We need to create compelling worlds that gamers need to interact with, after which give them a lot of methods to actively interact with them. All by way of the lens of triple-A, high-quality merchandise.
GamesBeat: Are you able to speak a bit about how huge you’ve grown? Are you going to maintain increasing, or maintain regular?
Borrud: We’re about 50 proper now. We’re the correct measurement for prototyping and attempting out concepts with out being too massive. We now have fairly huge development plans in 2025. However our intentions are to not develop too massive internally. We need to develop to the correct measurement. Then we now have a lot of co-development companions we’re enthusiastic about who will assist develop our studio and our growth measurement. 2024 has been an unbelievable 12 months for us, ranging from the start of the 12 months. We see that stage of development and extra within the 12 months forward.
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